Learn more about the conference here: http://www.okcareertech.org/students/cooperative-alliances/educators-meet-to-learn-about-pla
As part of that conference a list of FAQ's were developed. This list was sent out by Melissa Overcash, field services coordinator and the lead for the Cooperative Alliance Program.
Recap of Questions and Answers from April 29th
meeting.
Q: We are hearing different stories all
over the state concerning cooperative alliances. Who do we believe/listen
to?
A: Unless your information is coming
from the Regents (Debbie Blanke or Debra Stuart) or CareerTech (Melissa
Overcash) call us, email, etc. Just ask so that we can clarify and
validate.
Q: We
would prefer Primary/Secondary partnerships to be eliminated, so that we will
not be limited in choices and opportunities for our students. Will they
be eliminated?
A: The issue has come up, but it is
still in conversation. The group will need to determine the
benefits/detriments. Dr. Blanke would like a list from the tech centers
(benefits/detriments) for conversations and working on a policy. Please get this information to Dr. Blanke (both pro and con) by June 1st.
Q: PLA statewide degree programs—what if
certification is not in a degree program at the college we are aligned
with?
A: The Institution will have to look at
all programs. Which programs have students, are the programs needed,
beneficial to students and/or employers, etc.? What programs are just a
paper transaction and not really producing graduates? If we keep the
program, and we don’t have expertise on the campus, how will we justify our
faculty with HLC guidelines? Faculty expertise must be documented for
HLC.
Q: If a college offers an AAS degree in
Applied Technology, and we go with PLA, what about a certification like CISCO,
and there is no CISCO faculty at that college?
A: The
college MUST have faculty expertise (per HLC guidelines).
Q: If
colleges already have a degree program in place, does the degree program have
to change?
A: Yes, for example: Assoc.
Degree in Applied Science—college would have to decide what is the value of
degree to the students, employers, community, etc. If they deem value,
then they would have to provide expertise in that area. The colleges must
have a plan in place, and can offer the degree if they can show expertise, demand
and value.
Q: What are some creative solutions for
us (CareerTech) when no content or expertise is at the college?
A: The college MUST feel confident in
presenting the program to the HLC. They would need to hire a person with
that content expertise. More than likely, they could not get away with
hiring a technology center employee as a technical content “consultant.”
They must have a degree or expertise when using either contract OR PLA.
Expertise = one degree level higher than what the faculty member is currently
teaching, or extensive documented experience that the institution feels it can
justify as appropriate expertise for an HLC review.
Q: How do we
enroll students? What do we tell them?
A: Be very clear that we WILL take care
of them. The colleges have obligations to “teach out” programs that are
going to be deleted, and they will allow those already enrolled to complete.
For NEW students, we are in transition. If you start a program, and it is
not deleted when the student enrolls, they will be included in the “teach out”
plan. This process is allowed by the Regents to ensure students are
accommodated. The programs may change how credit is awarded, and/or how
much credit is granted as well. Students will be given the opportunity to finish
the credit in the manner they began the program.
Q: How will
PLA look on a college transcript?
A: After a student has completed 12
hours at the college, the PLA would be transcripted as ungraded work (P=Pass).
We need to approach our institutions and ask them how PLA work will look on the
transcript. Update: The course
prefix and title should be noted on the transcript so that it will be
transferrable.
Q: Advanced
standing for military—are they charged for that?
A: This may be different at each
institution. Areas with higher concentrations of military personnel may
not charge, but those with fewer may have a set fee for assessment. If there is a fee, it would be that same as
any other PLA assessment fees.
Q: In the case of a PLA, the institution
can’t charge a fee based on credit hours, correct? This was principle #8
on the CAEL PowerPoint.
A: Institutions are very clear that they
do not “sell” academic credit. But they can assess and charge a fee for
the assessment; the assessment or its review may vary in cost dependent on the
time and expertise required for the review process. In case of portfolio or skills, the student
may pay for review even if no credit is awarded.
Q: What will
the fees be? Will it still be $8 per credit hour?
A: $8 per credit hour was based on
services offered; we did not know how much time would be required by
institution working with CAPs. The PLA
and transcription fees will have to be determined as we move forward in the
process. Fees must be for the cost of
services and most institutions feel the process and services have resulted in
more costs (staff time, expertise, and travel) than the current rate covers.
Q: 15 hour residency requirement—If a
student has 15 hours at one college, then attends a technology center, and
finally goes on to a different college and only needs 6 hours, do they still have
to have the 15 hours residency requirement?
A: 15 hours of associate’s degree must
be at the college that will award the degree. PLA does NOT count
as resident credit. If a student changes colleges, the student would
still have to complete 15 hours in residence at the next college for the degree
to be awarded from that college. PLA cannot be more than 75% of the
degree and must have a minimum of 12 hours earned at the college before the PLA
would be transcripted. CLARIFICATION: Dr. Blanke misspoke on April 29, getting PLA
and contract credit confused (too much sinus pressure!!). SO:
PLA = IS NOT resident credit; Contract = IS resident credit.
Q: Would
hours be resident hours if completed under contract?
A: We will
need to clarify this possibility. (Yes,
this was clarified above after the April 29 meeting.)
Q: Will these
new courses be transcripted as block or course to course?
A: Courses will continue to be
transcripted as courses within a contract.
PLA assessments could be both one course or a group of courses.
For example: two assessments may qualify as one course, OR one large
assessment could meet the qualifications as covering multiple courses (such as 3 courses or 9
credit hours). However it will be agreed upon in the statewide review,
published and consistently available at colleges offering the program as
published statewide.
Q: PLA = pass/fail or Contract=
grade: What about the competitive advantage for students trying to enter,
for example, OU HSC?
A: We are conscious of this and will be
looking closely at all requirements for those types of programs. Update: With
information gathered so far, we are not aware of students being disadvantaged
by receiving PASS grades.
Q: Will there
be a policy on how long students can “bank” their credit?
A: No. They will be assessed, and after
the student completes 12 hours at the college, then the credit will be
transcripted. If the assessing body stipulates a timeframe of validity
for a certification, this will impact the credit that can be awarded.
Q: What about the portfolio
process? It is current when it is put together, and then transcripted, so
it is good forever.
A: At this time, we are not seeing the
portfolio process being implemented for technical work review. We have
been working toward this process since 2000 in other liberal arts and sciences
area, but the work has been slow in this area. If the student has a well
developed portfolio, they can approach the institution with it and request a
review and assessment of the portfolio. Each institution has autonomy, so
one may be willing to conduct the review.
Once the portfolio is assessed and credit is transcripted, that
transcripted work is good forever, however, degree requirements may change over
time that makes particular credit not apply to particular degree requirements.
Q: In addition
to the Joint Review Committee on Education in Radiologic Technology or JRCERT,
what accrediting bodies do we need to communicate with in regards to
sponsorship concerns?
A: We are working on this answer.
If you want to be in the loop about what is happening with PLA send an email to Melissa and we will share information here as we move forward.
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